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« on: June 03, 2012, 02:51:44 PM »

"Uncle Bill" a.k.a. Willem de Thouars has joined the American KunTao Silat Forum and Steve asked me to announce that he is open to questions and repartee from the AKTS Family!

So: Welcome Uncle Bill, from all the AKTS Family! The floor is yours
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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2012, 03:13:20 PM »

All I can say after reading much material is Sigune Gartin is once again showing all parts of being a truth to American Kuntao Silat with His gracious acceptance once again of one of his former instructors.
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2012, 03:32:17 PM »

Hello,

While I welcome the opportunity to interact with Uncle Bill, I would caution anyone from making any comments which could be contrued in the wrong way.
This represents an opportunity for healing and perhaps increased interaction between the two families. It would be a shame for any comments to be taken the wrong way and result in this failing.
With that in mind I would humbly suggest that we leave the past in the past and focus on today and the future.
Anything which happened in the past between Uncle Bill and Sigung Steve should be between them and, imho, does not need us to stoke the flames.

Having said all of that I wish to extend a Welcome to Uncle Bill and say that I for one am appreciative of the opportunity to obtain answers to questions which I may have for training.
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2012, 04:52:03 PM »

 Smiley Welcome Willem, my Brother!
I'm glad to see you're here on the American KunTao Silat Forum!

As you know, the AKTS Family is spread all over the world and since this will be the last year that you will be teaching, would you do us the favour of listing all your classes, seminars, workshops and get-togethers coming up so that the AKTS Family will have the opportunity to meet and train with you?

And also, I know the de Thouars Brothers don't generally get along, but this IS an election year and historically all four of you have put away petty bickering to be united every four years or so; and you said that you were all going to be at the KTS school in Denver, so please include those dates if you would.

And more so, it would be great if Brother Victor were to join us here on the AKTS Forum. There are several of his old students among the AKTS Family now and I know they would love to hear from him again. Must admit I'm quite fond of him myself. Paul and Maurice are also welcome. I wish my old Friend, Bill Chang was alive to join us here in unity, but he watches over us from the Great Beyond where we will all meet again one day.

May the Creator richly bless you and your Family with Peace, Protection and Prosperity.
Your Brother Steve

 
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2012, 07:58:39 PM »

Sir: I have a question.

Is it possible in the future to see some form of weapons applications or drills related to silat, and if possible the jurus in video format?

Specifically, the short (arnis/escrima) stick?

A yawara palm stick? A kubotan? (of course you could always add okinawan versions of brass knuckles...)

A short staff or walking stick?

A walking cane? (for me it would be cool to see the typical walking cane with a curved-hooking handle applied to silat, especially the jurus)

And last, a long staff as it applies to the jurus?

For me personally, I think even short segment videos/dvds on these subjects would create a great demand/interest. Just to even see some freeform applications by Uncle Bill or Sigung Steve would be awesome. Or, make it an assignment for senior students, letting them show how they would apply their understanding of silat to a palm stick, a short stick, short staff, walking stick/cane, or even a long staff.

Maybe I'm just thinking out loud to myself, but I think it would be something not only worth watching but also buying as well. A number of exotic chinese weapons, like ermei daggers (similar to double-ended daggers) would make an awesome display when demonstrated by a silat stylist-at so many levels.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2012, 08:15:23 PM »

Hi Ron,
I can probably field that question better than anyone right this moment because I've been dealing with the DVDs for some time. Weapons of KunTao Silat has much of what you are asking about included. The Karambit is used in lieu of a yawara stick, but you get the drift. There is also a full-length DVD on the Karambit by Steve that goes into great detail on the use of palm sized weapons. Chas Clement's Combat Cane has much more on the walking stick applications and in the Guru Class Series with Uncle Bill, I believe it is Class #4 where he demonstrates Escrima Stick applications. Then on the 10th Annual Family Gathering Series #4 Guru Mike Casto does an entire segment on stick applications. So there is a great deal of footage available on everything except the long stick, because it isn't much used in close quarter combat although Uncle Bill gave Steve a six foot long iron wrecking bar to train long stick with. :-)

Perhaps when time permits, I can carve some of those pieces out and offer downloadable MP4s on those subjects.

Hope that begins to answer your questions. Maybe others who have been watching the DVDs can give you Title and counter number where it would be easier to find those parts.
Peace,
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2012, 10:51:47 PM »

Uncle,

For martial arts purposes, which form is your current favorite to do?

Thank you and Hormat,
John
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2012, 11:08:47 AM »

Dear Uncle Bill,

have you ever gotten into fights that were not pre-arranged, like on the streets or some other random location? If yes, what was your most memorable? Did you ever lose one? If yes, how and why?

Thanks for your time, you are a great inspiration!
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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2014, 07:49:09 PM »

Every so often Willem tries to track me down for the known pediphile organization known as the Denver Joint Domestic Terrorism Task Force. {Search the term "Tim Walsh + Columbine" and you will understand why the Columbine Massacre happened and a little more research will reveal exactly WHO did all the killing there. Gay Clyman and his queer lover Don Estep have been working hand-in-glove with Willem de Thouars for many years to try to keep me from revealing the Lucifarian pedophile ring operating in Denver, Colorado. The video Willem made for Gay Clyman and Don Estep can be found here. http://willemdethouars.com
 
Below is another of Willem's attempts to anger me into contacting him so that Gay Clyman and his queer lover, Don Estep, could track down my location and murder me before I could reveal their perverse agenda and henious criminal activity.
 
Instead of calling Willem, which would have enabled the Lucifarian Butt-stabbers to track my location, I instead communicated with Willem through re-mailers and when Gay & Donnie, the Lucifarian queers, discovered that I was not going to reveal anything, Willem suddenly ceased trying to contact me. I set him up to converse with the KunTao Silat People on the KunTao Silat Forum, but Willem never answered the first post and has not tried to contact me again until just recently, because I have begun to teach the Chang Style Internal Art.
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"Uncle Bill" a.k.a. Willem de Thouars has joined the American KunTao Silat Forum and Steve asked me to announce that he is open to questions and repartee from the AKTS Family!
 
So: Welcome Uncle Bill, from all the AKTS Family! The floor is yours  Grin
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Willem's last email follows:
With the concurrency of devastation you was a victim of, (Learned that out a lawbook, as a lawyer's standard version - In the Rights of a Citizen) and circumstances - I can easy see, why you prefer  a cave, over a humanistic settlement - with many people in Urban living.  As a brother, just concern.
Steve, (at my age), I really become a more resourceful thinker by studying History at large. History, taught me a lots more in finding my nature back in spirit.
I read Ceasar's commentaries, (almost everyday), in which Ceasar declined his wishes with the Syrians as party going soldiers, in being disorganized and feared the Germans more at Gaule. ( The Rhine river lands). He was dying to get Pompey at his side - to resque them from the Pirates, who were plundering their foods supply and for the sake of Rome. Pompey did, after nearly killing 1.5000.000 villagers and pirates. Hitler was not the only one who killed millions, comparing him with Stalin and Generalism Mao Tze Tung. Stalin killed his own family and another 30 to 40 million, and Mao, around 60 million. The history of mankind generates in a continued battle, that all our troubles, reside in the nature of men. My kun tao teachers family, in Shandong Valley (Fuekchin) were all killed by the communists.
You may not belief in me anymore, in what I had to become - more like a source of history in research, and in nature and in penmanship (now the keyboard) - relates most of my written issues more to George S Patton ( my greatst legend) - Napoleon, the Corsican ( a total Field artillery, a genius) and for sure my most loved and beladed Howard Cossel, whose actual name was Cohen ( Cowan).  I met Howard Cossel, as a sailor in 1957, in upper Manhatten. Cossel Who had established a successful lawfirm ( was Harvard educated and out Oxford) became bored in dealing with people - went later to Sports Broadcasting. He brought Jacky Robinson,( the base ball player) and also the first black athlete, to one of America's best. And Classius without Howard, was never so greatly advertised. (How your skinny older brother learn to become a prankster by arranging trouble amongst people). Patton loved General Sherman, was a true addictive follower of Sherman's battle plans and thought sometimes to be a combination of Ceasar and Napoleon.
I am always grateful for the very best and overseer over all American Generals of the Second WW - the honorable George Catlett Marshall - his Marshall plan in rebuilding the War Thorn nations ( to prevent a Communist take over in Europe) and did many great things. People had all forgotten about him, a total sadness to me.
After establishing a Pastor Welters Act in congress, made it possible for many Dutch Indonesians to find a new home in America. There are now well over 100.000.00 of us people residing throughout America. In America, I like to see Americans and not my own race. (Just joking).
When we three brothers, and our parents came first to America, in May, and in 1960 - Paul and Victor were constantly arguing and nearly to a fist fight, on the Santa Fee express, a train that brought us to Pasadena, California. Victor as the youngest brother, always had tried to be the boss over all the older brothers.  Chess Clements could have never (ever) put the sheer essence of the de Thouars brothers, to a better means of understanding - for us to be, more or less, as the martial comedians.  In order to keep Victor happy, have to talk "hate"
talks, to tickle his funny. With Paul, a similar idea for accomodations to his feelings. So in order to keep both brothers happy, have to steer troubles between the two - through hate talks (conversations).
They are still fighting in who was Mar Djoekie, could never have been Victor's Serak teacher. ( Was always Paul). Paul always had angered him, for me to lie for Victor on the Mar Djoekie conquest for the two enbattled brothers. The real truth is that Mar Djoekie was Victor's marble shooting buddy. I love you Steve, you my brother with more wisdom than any of my brothers. Maurice same thing, thinks of himself, for being 60 - (while him), in being 86 years old. His stories on Serak is verry much like the well known Fish Stories, we all know sowell -  a fish gets bigger, each time after a story told. Between them, my brothers and me, and the world, my reason to be a researcher to seek history out - and a confused man at large. Conclussively ending my email to you, in memorizing George Catlett marshall, as known to Winston Churchill ( the greatest Stateman of all times) in what he thought of the American general - as a wise Stateman and a true legend as an  ambasador of peace. All so true, George Carlett marshall, 1931 - 1951. He played perhaps the greatest role as a World Ambasador to International Peace. Sorry brother for my long emails, just read Ceasar's commentary and the fascination of studying Ceasar, replied in one of his commentaries by saying it in poetry.
{
Therein all the famous history
Of jason and Medaea was ywritt;.....
His goodly conquest of the golden fleece....
The wondered Argo, which is venturous peace First through the Euxine seas bore all the flower of Greece}.
Please wishing you a very progressive as well, a glorious spirital day.
With all my caring, always your brother Willem.
 
On 6/2/12, Steve Gartin <sigung@kuntaosilat.com> wrote:
 A fine evening to you my Friend,
 
 Original Message:
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 From: Willem DeThouars willemdethouars@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:01:57 -0600
 To: sigung@kuntaosilat.com
 Subject: Re: Aloha in spirit.
 
 Thank you brother and will communicate more often, in the near or
 distance future.
 
 Steve: Great, I'll answer as often as I can. Don't be alarmed if it takes a  week or more to get an answer though, since I don't go to the village  any more than necessary. I've come to cherish my solitude.
 
 Please, I am curious, since when was you released from imprisonment? Glad you are out and indeed, fought many spiritual battles you had to  overcome.
 
 Steve: September 2007. One of my friends, a judge I never sued, sent me a  message to tell me that they were planning to murder me next time they  got me in jail, so I quit playing their game. Stacked decks are not my  favourite game anyway.
 
 Funny thing, the silat tv, met many overseas friends - and also old
 friends, I had not seen since the 1950's - when I left Indonesia. Will
 be going after Scandinavia, in September of this year also (make) a
 trip to  the Philippines.
 
 Steve: If you'll send me your schedule, I'll let my Distance Learning People  know when you will be in their area.
 
 Many who hates me or many how likes me, keep on reading my hate mail,
 something I learn from Howard Cossel. Just to steer up trouble to
 better my English, in a literal sense. My backroom is now a library
 with 300 books and my intentsified studies.
 
 Steve: Your written presence is becoming more powerful in your old age. It  seems that you are getting a better handle on emotions. :-) Not to  mention the English language.
 
 Paul and Victor are continuously on each other's case - in who is
 better in serak.
 
 Steve: Well, this IS an election year; so maybe they can put aside their  brotherly bickering and act like a Family for a change.
 
 And for sure, according to them: " Willem knows nothing". Hard to get  mad at brothers.
 
 Steve: You'd think they would tire of that bullshit by now; but their opinion  doesn't really matter anyway . . . at least not to anyone that
 matters. :-)
 
 August of this year, is our gathering, and Keith tries to bring all
 four brothers in. I guess, I appoint myself to keep the brothers apart
 and let you open up the ceremony with a good prayer.
 
 Steve: That would be an honour!
 
 Anyway Steve, don't like to keep you to much off your other social
 duties and, wonder if you have a phone number I can reach you?
 
 Steve: There are no phones in my part of the world Willem. Next time I go to  the larger village I'll try to catch you on the phone; but don't hold  your breath. . . I don't do that any more than I absolutely have to.
 
 With a silent prayer and my, many thanks, always your brother Willem
 
 Steve: My prayers join with yours Brother. May peace, prosperity and security  be your silent friends.
 
 Steve: In YHVH's Love,
 Steve
 
 Original Message:
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 From: Willem DeThouars willemdethouars@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:01:57 -0600
 To: sigung@kuntaosilat.com
 Subject: Re: Aloha in spirit.
 
 Thank you brother and will communicate more often, in the near or
 distance future.
 Please, I am curious, since when was you released from imprisonment?  Glad you are out and indeed, fought many spiritual battles you had to  overcome.
 Funny thing, the silat tv, met many overseas friends - and also old
 friends, I had not seen since the 1950's - when I left Indonesia. Will
 be going after Scandinavia, in September of this year also (make) a
 trip to  the Philippines. Many who hates me or many how likes me, keep on reading my hate mail, something I learn from Howard Cossel. Just to  steer up trouble to better my English, in a literal sense. My backroom  is now a library with 300 books and my intentsified studies.
 Paul and Victor are continuously on each other's case - in who is
 better in serak. And for sure, according to them: " Willem knows nothing". Hard to get  mad at brothers. August of this year, is our gathering, and Keith  tries to bring all four brothers in. I guess, I appoint myself to keep  the brothers apart and let you open up the ceremony with a good  prayer. Anyway Steve, don't like to keep you to much off your other  social duties and, wonder if you have a phone number I can reach you? With a silent prayer and my, many thanks, always your brother Willem
 
 
 On 6/2/12, Steve Gartin <sigung@kuntaosilat.com> wrote:
 I'm pleased that you dropped me a line in a more personal venue Willem.
 It is good to be in communication with you again.
 
 Original Message:
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 From: Willem DeThouars willemdethouars@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:07:38 -0600
 To: sigung@kuntaosilat.com
 Subject: Aloha in spirit.
 
 Dear brother,
 was great able to communicate with you, and relating my reminscince,  always the best times - we had and never the bad times.  Good times  and bad times are a surpluss in the lives of an individual, they come  and go. Like wars are, today an enemy tomorrow an ally. Patton  actually wanted to use the German army, (in charge von Manstein) - to  fight the Russians. He was fired by Ike.
 
 We have had some great times; hard or easy is irrelevant ~ life is
 like that!
 
 I just needed some attention, in not knowing where you are, and my  reason for pissing you off. I knew was never a right way, was concern  about you - regardless the circumstances.
 
 Steve: Well, I haven't been in contact with the outside world much for the  last four years. I didn't mean any offense to you, and I agree that 
I should have at least dropped you a note. I'll do better in the future.
 
 We shall always be brothers.
 
 Right now, have a very sensitive issue with my brothers - Victor
 wants to kill Paul, and Paul wants to kill Victor. We both, as
 believers in the spirit of the universe need to pray for them.
 
 Steve: I'll add my prayers to yours Brother. As crazy as those two are, I  love them dearly and always think happy thoughts in their direction.
 
I have used the silat tv to learn from great writers, not when they  feel good, but when they are mad. In between the lines is a great  resource. People just don't know me, that well, as you do and will do
 less visits on silat tv.
 
 Steve: Ha ha, they have missed much; but as you have always said, "a learned  gentleman conceals his skill. . ."
 
 My objective had been reached and I wrote a couple of good books - a  refreshed addition from the old diaries.  goingto be publisdhed soon in paperbag. Will sent you a copy, soon as  I received a few.
 
 Steve: I'll drop a letter in the mail sometime soon and give you an address.
 
 My backroom where I had challenged those city slaggers, is now my
 study room and research centre, Belief me brother I am a very
 peaceful man with a lots of caring toward peace.
 
 Steve: Peace comes through power to choose, the weak have no choice in the matter.
 
 I am half Jew and with a huge French historical background dating back since  the 12th century A.D.
 
 Steve: Yes, I have studied the de Thouars Family lineage. It is indeed
 colourful!
 
 Trust me  I am in much better shape, than I ever was before. Hoping
 you will come down the city and take me out for coffee and lunch. I
 am nearing my 80's brother, and 76 now - and still a trouble maker.
 Always in spirit and care, your brother Willem.
 
 Steve: I'm pleased to hear that your health is improving as the years go by.   It is a joy for me as well, in my mid-60's to be able to make the natives  pant when trying to keep up with me. :-)
 
 Steve: Keep happy thoughts and know that you are in my thoughts and prayers!
 
 In YHVH's Name,
 Steve
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I have had a change of thought and heart. Willem is pure evil; he has sold his soul to Lucifer. I cannot and will not deny that I learned silat and external kuntao from him ~ however, he is NOT my teacher and has not been since 2006 when I saw the complete darkness of Willem's soul. I admit that I have been deceived and I do not want any other trusting souls to fall prey to his evil wiles.
Pak Steve

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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2014, 08:43:48 PM »

Well My Friends,
The inevitable has surfaced.  Willem's mind changes like the wind and he didn't like my saying that I learned some things from Bill Chang and a fecal-waste-matter storm ensued. I have made some decisions and just made my intentions clear with a YouTube post that I feel you should all be aware of: http://youtu.be/eibJgq0Y758 .

I sincerely apologize to all of you who care for KunTao Silat for one reason or another ~ I should have done this a long time ago, when I first became aware that Willem's actions were not due to his immigrant status, but because of the evil in his heart. I really did not want to admit this. . . even to myself ~ but I can no longer ignore the overwhelming body of facts.

www.willemdethouars.com will be the repository of facts to refute Willem's incessant lies and I will do my best to meticulously document both his lies and the facts. There is a blog that will be available for your questions and comments and I do invite your participation and will not censor your comments.

Please accept my sincere apology for both having been a fool and maybe even for causing some of you to believe that Willem de Thouars is a great man ~ when he is, in fact, a demon.

May YHVH richly bless and guide you all,
Steve
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2014, 07:54:51 PM »

Roll Eyes  Well, for those of you who are interested in the factoids and another side of Willem de Thouars' crazed rants - here's "the rest of the story" http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPwo9yEE9dR3AmeY9uoV1JP7ZGbyxGN24. By the way, Willem is a member of this Forum, so he can respond at any time he cares to. He pretty much seems to rant in places Steve can't get to.  Huh
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